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Topic of the Week by Christian Ryan
Did dinosaurs really evolve into birds? What does the fossil record actually reveal? |
Is this delicious Thanksgiving entree the descendant of dinosaurs? |
The similarities between dinosaurs like Compsognathus and birds led Huxley to believe that dinosaurs evolved into birds. |
An early conception of "proto-birds" from 1916. |
“And God created...every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good...And the evening and the morning were the fifth day.” Genesis 1:21-23.This is a major contradiction to the evolution story, which states that dinosaurs came about before birds. Meanwhile the Bible states that land animals – dinosaurs included – came after birds! And instead of evolving through the processes of natural selection and mutation like evolution teaches, birds appeared on earth fully-formed and ready for action.
Evolutionists commonly point to Archaeopteryx as being a transitional form between dinosaurs and birds. |
“...dinosaurs with feathers are not welcome at Ham's amusement park [speaking of the Creation Museum]. Even though paleontologists have uncovered numerous dinosaurs with everything from bristles and fuzz to full-flight feathers—which document the evolution of plumage from fluff to aerodynamic structures that allowed dinosaurs to take to the air—creationists deny the clear fossil record.”He had much more to say of course, some of which I'll get to in a minute. I must say that while reading the article, I was troubled how many misconceptions Switek has about creationism. What really ticks me off is when evolutionists try to make a case for themselves without actually doing the research. I find Switek's ignorance of what we creationists believe appalling. If only he continued to research and find answers to why creationists don't believe dinosaurs evolved into birds, then perhaps he would not have been so bold in his statements. Like any other fossils in the fossil record, even though the observable evidence – dinosaur and bird fossils – can point to or suggest a certain conclusion, they do not speak for themselves and are left to the interpretation of the individual based upon observable evidence. Evolutionists like to claim that creationists start from a presupposition and use that to base their opinions on, while they base their opinions on scientific facts. Now, it is true that we have presumptions, but so do evolutionists! They fail to realize is that they do the exact same thing. In this article, I plan to talk about the evidence for and against the dino-to-bird hypothesis and see what the evidence best suggests.
So what is the “evidence” for this belief in dinosaurs evolving into birds? Switek claims there is a “mountain of evidence that birds are living dinosaurs” and that we creationists deny the clear fossil record. Let's at the so-called evidence now and see whether we're the ones rejecting the clear fossil record. Before we go on though, let me explain that evolutionists do not believe all dinosaurs evolved into birds; they believe the ancestors of birds are maniraptorans, small theropod (meat-eating) dinosaurs. Some of these dinosaurs include Deinonychus, Troodon and the famous Velociraptor.
Dromaeosaurs, such as this Velociraptor, are commonly seen as relatives of modern birds. |
Bird-hipped and Lizard-hipped Dinosaurs
Evolutionists are quick to mention that maniraptorans are very similar to modern birds anatomically. This is true. In fact there are over 100 skeletal features that dinosaurs share with birds; some dinosaurs such as Velociraptor even had a wishbone. But what is often not mentioned are the often quite significant differences between the two. Within the order Dinosauria there are two subcategories in which dinosaurs are divided, saurischians (lizard-hipped dinosaurs) and ornithiscians (bird-hipped dinosaurs). The dinosaurs in these two categories are divided based upon their hip shape. The difference between the two hip shapes is the pubis bone; the pubis bone in birds and bird-hipped dinosaurs points toward the rear instead of to the front as in lizard-hipped dinosaurs, modern reptiles and mammals.
Saurischian or lizard-like hip structure. |
Ornithischian or bird-like hip structure. |
Problem with dino-to-bird evolution? All the dinosaurs that evolutionists believe are related to birds (e.g. Velociraptor, Troodon, Sinornithosaurus) are lizard-hipped! Dinosaurs that are bird-hipped include Stegosaurus, Triceratops and Parasaurolophus. These dinosaurs bear very few bird-like features and are not believed to have evolved into birds. Yet the few times this is ever mentioned in secular literature, documentaries and etc. this problem is never presented any emphasis. And why would they?
The lumbering 4-ton Stegosaurus is a bird-hipped dinosaur, meaning it must have evolved into birds! Right? Of course not! |
Three-Fingered Hands
The hand bones of Dienonychus (left) and Archaeopteryx (right) are quite similar. |
Avian vs. Reptilian Lungs
The dinosaur Sinosauropteryx was so well preserved, that the reptilian-like lungs have also been fossilized. |
In Switek's article, he mentions how the Creation Museum didn't display feathered dinosaurs, nor does Answers in Genesis portray dinosaurs with feathers in books and DVD's. And he's right. But what if there's actually a scientifically good reason for this? Of course, failing to do his research to see why creationists don't portray feathered dinosaurs, he just scoffs and claims that “they take pride in promoting out-of-date, monstrous dinosaurs that more easily fit their contention that these animals were created separately from all other forms of life.” I'm very sorry Switek, but maybe you are the one who's trying to go against the fossil evidence. Like just about every other evolutionist out there, he claims that creationists just believe in non-feathered dinosaurs because we believe they didn't evolve into birds and then points to so-called “feathered” dinosaurs; no further explanation is given. He would have only had to read a few articles on the Answers in Genesis website to find their true opinion, which I will get to in a minute.
Is there actually evidence to support the belief that dinosaurs, like this Troodon, had feathers? |
Dinosaurs like Sinosauropteryx might have been covered in a type of "fur". |
“Put feathers on a Velociraptor—we know it had feathers thanks to quill knobs preserved along its arm bones—and you get something disturbingly birdlike, revealing the dinosaur's kinship to the ancestors of Archaeopteryx and other early birds.”In 2007, scientists published the find of a fossil arm bone of a Velociraptor. Along the forearm are six bumps that they claimed were very similar to those found on the bones of some modern birds. In modern birds the bumps are the quill knobs where feathers were once supposedly rooted. Is this proof of a feathered dinosaur? Perhaps, but sources that talk about this find give no details as to why the quill knobs don't extend further along this bone or if there were other fossils were also examined or how complete the find was. Who's to say this is even the arm bone of a Velociraptor? There are many uncertainties with this fossil. Keep in mind that I'm not doubting the validity of the scientists who studied the fossil, but we should also remember that we should be cautious about such claims based on scant evidence and the claims made by scientists with evolutionary presuppositions.
No feathers seem to have been present on Velociraptor, but pcynofiber-like fuzz is still a possibility. |
Microraptor is a very unique creature with four fully-functional feathered wings. |
The seriema is a medium-sized bird living today with an enlarged toe claw, similar to the ones found on dromaeosaurs. |
This is a typical chart showing the evolution of dinosaurs to birds. |
Unfortunately, this isn't what the fossil record represents at all! Despite this being portrayed in just about every secular dinosaur book, the “clear fossil record” (as Switek puts it) tells a different story. Archaeopteryx, the famed transitional between dinosaurs and birds is believed to have existed 150-148 million years ago, during the Late Jurassic Period. The problem? Most bird-like dinosaurs that are commonly said to be closely related to birds, according to this worldview, lived before Archaeopteryx! Sinosauropteryx, a dinosaur with “proto-feathers” is claimed to have lived 124-122 million years ago! In fact, most dinosaurs with so-called “proto-feathers” are found above rock layers with more bird-like animals! The only dinosaur with "proto-feathers" that evolutionists have that didn't live after Archaeopteryx is Juravenator. But according to evolutionists, Juravenator lived at the same time as Archaeopteryx! In addition to this, we find birds very similar to the ones we see today living with "dino-birds". A Microraptor skeleton described in 2011 was discovered with tree-perching bird fossils (more bird-like than Microraptor) inside of its abdomen! This animal didn't only live with modern-like birds – it ate them! Even Velociraptor, a very bird-like dinosaur, is usually dated to live about 80 million years ago, long after birds has supposedly been flying through the skies for millions of years. These creatures were hardly ancestors to the birds. I for think the fossil record clearly demonstrates that dinosaurs evolved into birds, don't you? (That was sarcastic by the way).
Of course, I am not at all saying we should find all the transitional forms between dinosaurs and birds if this transition really did occur, but we should find a few. Evolution on this scale would take tens of millions of years and millions of generations between dinosaurs and birds. Where are these fossils? Surely some should have popped up if the "clear fossil record" suggests dinosaurs evolved into birds.
And to make matters even worse for evolutionists, extinct birds such as Anchiornis, Xiaotingia, Aurornis and potentially Protoavis are buried in sediment “older” than Archaeopteryx!
So, Switek, you believe the "clear fossil record" portrays dinosaurs evolving into birds? Hm... |
Why haven't evolutionists who love to talk badly about creationists bring up the points I made in this article? An even better question is why would they do such a thing? Never in Switek's article does he even mention these problems with the dino-bird theory (or solutions to them)! Like many other evolutionists out there, he decided to pick on the claim made by creationists rather than the evidence that backs up the claim in order to make creationists sound like unprofessional idiots. What he wrote in this article shows just how utterly and willingly ignorant he is of creationism and what we believe to be true (and more importantly why we believe it to be true).
As I hope to have made clear throughout this article, if one looks at the fossil record from an evolutionary perspective, we don't really learn about the origin of birds. It's really sad how little research Switek did on the truth about creationism, Answers in Genesis, dinosaurs, birds and the fossil record as a whole. I doubt hearing the truth would have actually change his mind, but at least he would have been more informed. Until he decides to learn what creationists actually have to say and only talking about evidence from his own side of the argument, he should avoid talking about creationism altogether. (Unlike him, I used information from both sides).
I do however hope that this article has enlightened you, my readers, and helped you understand that the fossil record doesn't support the belief that birds and dinosaurs didn't share the same lineage, but that they do share the same wonderful Creator God.
You can relax, dinosaur lovers! The turkey you'll have for Thanksgiving this year isn't the descendant of this Velociraptor! |
References:
wikipedia.org/wiki/Origin_of_birds
answersingenesis.org/dinosaurs/feathers/did-dinosaurs-turn-into-birds
answersingenesis.org/dinosaurs/feathers/feathered-raptors-not-the-birds
wikipedia.org/wiki/Archaeopteryx
wikipedia.org/wiki/Microraptor
wikipedia.org/wiki/Sinosauropteryx
Feathered Dinosaurs Drive Creationists Crazy
Disclaimer: Many (or in some cases all) of the photographs and images above are not mine. If you own one or more of them and would like them to be removed, politely let me know via one or both of the email addresses above.
Disclaimer 2: I know I've been talking negatively a lot about Brian Switek article, but this isn't because I don't like the guy. I have read much of his other material and admire his writing style; even though I don't agree with everything he believes.
Okay, lets go through this...
ReplyDeleteJust because the bible said it does not mean it is true. Saying that birds can't be dinosaurs just because they supposedely were created on day 5 and the dinosaurs on day 6 is like saying whales can't be mammals because they were created on day 5. Also, on what day were flightless birds like ostriches and cassowaries created on?
You first talk about the hips, saying that birds can't be saurischian dinosaurs because their hip bones point backwards, like ornithischians. But you forget to mention that this is the case of the maniraptorans, the group of dinosaurs closest to, as well as containing, birds. The exceptions are primitive members of the groups within, as well as advanced troodontids.
You then talk about the digits, and ask "What happened?" What most likely happened was a so called "frame shift mutation". The I, II and III digits were likely transported to the places of digits of II, III and IV during the evolution.
A study showed that there is nothing lung-like about the so called "lungs".
Then you get to the feathers. I don't know enough about quill knobs, so I can't comment on that. No, the protofeathers of Sinosauropteryx and other feathered dinosaurs are not collagen fibers. There is some space between the feathers and skeleton of Sinosauropteryx, which is where the skin would have been. If they were collagen fibers, it would look like they just grew straight out of the bones. Melanosomes, the pigments that gives feathers their colors, have also likely been found in Sinosauropteryx and other feathered dinosaurs. Collagen does not preserve melanosomes.
Microraptor is a dromaeosaurid, not a bird. It is within the same group as Velociraptor. Using your logic, Velociraptor is also a bird. It is true that Archaeopteryx was a "bird", but it was not "just a bird". If it was, why does it have a long, bony tail? Why does it have three clawed, unfused digits? Why does it not only have teeth, but also lacking a beak? Like Arcaheopteryx, it is true that Hesperornis is a "bird". But it is outside the group of modern birds, Aves, and none of them have teeth.
You then talk about the time gaps. Evolution does not go in a straight line, with every species being ancestral. Sinosauropteryx is not ancestral to birds, but it shows what the ancestors would have looked like. What you also forget to mention is Sinosauropteryx is a primitive coelurosaur, and just have hair like feathers. More advanced species, like Microraptor, have very advanced feathers.
You also brought up Protoavis. Protoavis is a highly dubious genus. It is most likely a combination between a lot of animals. Even if it is real, it would not disprove the dinosaur-bird theory, just push the origin of birds back 75 million years. And again, the feathered dinosaurs don't represent the dirrect ancestors to birds, just how they would look like.
I don't understand why creationists deny that birds are dinosaurs. It's like denying that bats are mammals.
Easy answer.....they're coming from a place of total illogic and pseudoscience. They try to frame the history of life within the confines of a book of folk tales which was created by human beings. So they then try to manipulate what the fossil record shows us so it fits their book of fairy tales. It helps foster the false sense of security that their belief in religion, the origin fable created by humans of a different age to explain their world in the absence of science, gives them. That's a very oversimplified explanation, but it basically does the job. Creationism is incorrect because god and religion are incorrect. The only "creation" that ever happened was man creating god, not the other way around. Sorry to burst your bubble original blogger, but that's the truth. Man created god, not the other way around, and nothing will ever change that. It is what it is. Birds are dinosaurs, humans are primates, evolution happened and is still happening. End of story.
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